Are you deaf, but wonder how you are going to listen to Knot Zen?  Tune in and find out.

After 500 hours of podcasting we finally made it to the Fox Case. 

A complicated case in which there's many things to grab on to: cause and effect, rebirth, violence., and if you're lucky, you might regret listening. 

What is outstanding action?  Here, it's kicking over a water bottle.  Although, Mumon says the guy who did that: "could not jump out of the trap".  

The gang talks through the case and then debates what it means to instruct and whether the case is an example of instruction or something else.